This archived forum used to be called 'Peatarian' (in reference to Ray Peat).

Behind the Veil

Peace is not a feeling.  Peace is knowing that you are doing the right thing.  

I have such empathy for those of us who seem to be on the "losing end" or are dealing with circumstances beyond our control which force us into negative places.  Meanwhile, the onlookers wonder why we can't just get it together.  We are often those onlookers criticizing and shaming ourselves.  And sometimes the "circumstances beyond our control" are things we could change if only we had the strength or the ability to do so.  In the end we feel we have no control in the matter....and that's actually the truth.  Even making the wrong choice is out of our control, despite the fact that we are still involved.  Any positive change in our lives is a pure gift.

Sometimes we get into vicious cycles physiologically which steal our hope - with any number of stress hormones dominating...we are out of balance and unsteady and don't know how to get back up even if we know intuitively what we need to do to make our situation better - what to strive towards.  And when hope comes, we are grateful - an unexpected reaching out to lift us from our hole so that we can do the right thing.  

Our emotions do not dictate if we have peace, though - doing the right thing is the only thing which can be consistent....because our feelings (no matter how or why they come) will always be inconsistent.  

The truth is that most of my struggles are from a mindless and foolish doubting of my perceptions...from not doing the right thing.  Whether that be going to bed when i should, or not taking the time to eat when i know i am hungry, or any number of things I know i should do and i know will be beneficial.  So if that is you, too, i just wanted to share all of this as a form of hope that we are the same and that we can get back up again and not trust our feelings, but trust in what leads to peace.  Trying to complicate things or research or contemplate only veils the simplicity of acting and being patient

i wholeheartedly believe that baby steps are rewarded exponentially....things progress quickly for the better once we begin.  we tend to have fear about getting back up - a kind of pessimism or perfectionism that makes us wonder if it is worth it.  you know it is.  i believe that our creator cares for us and rewards us when we plant these seeds, when we do the right thing regardless of feeling.
asked Apr 15, 2015 by Nicholas
Great post. I say so because I think the phrase "peace is knowing that you are doing the right thing" captured the essence of something that has been bothering me a lot lately (or at least I interpreted it that way - I could be wrong). I often feel somewhat 'rudderless', distracted, 'incoherent', and the problem isn't that I can't be the person I want to be, but I don't know what the path is to being that person. I think it's a bit like being told (as a guy) "meeting women is easy - you just need to be confident". Which may be true, but it's incredibly hard to fashion such advice into small, achievable steps.

Likewise with nutrition/stress: looking back at my worst moments, it seems as though I was on a ship veering wildly off course, and the first and hardest step was simply to bring it to a halt (to stop the vicious cycle/negative feedback loop) from where I could slowly reorientate myself.

Over the years, in my search, I have encountered people who practise positive affirmations, mindfulness and confidence building exercises. I feel there is merit to these things, that they can reinforce a virtuous cycle, but personally have found when I am not nourished these things are futile. Being present is hard when the stress hormones are high; feelings of blame and obsessive thoughts always seem to come when the body doesn't have what it needs.

I have noticed a number of people throughout my life that seem to have a certain 'coherence' about them (I can't really think of a better way to put this).  They may not be in perfect health, and they have their ups and downs, but they are generally healthy, enthusiastic about life and giving of their time and energy. They have happiness to share, whereas others feel they have to hoard their happiness like a scarce resource. They seem to have a certain warmth, like some energy is flowing through them unimpeded. They are the fire that others huddle around to keep warm. Whereas I have often felt like there is something stuck, something broken or missing, that prevents this energy from moving freely through my self.

Another perverse outcome of being so low is that one tends to attract a lot of toxic people into one's life, exacerbating the vicious cycle. Despite how far I have to go now, I'm finally starting to feel as though I'm generally sharing company with good-hearted, motivated people.

Pardon the rambling response, I hope to organise my thoughts more comprehensively when I'm not so busy!
The health stuff is what keeps me down, I just want to be healthy and have energy to play with my kids. But I think I need to let go of that... I need to say well this is it, I can choose to make the best of it or I can choose to sit here and be miserable. Good post!

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Thanks, and I really like where you're going. Just curious, what is "our creator cares for us and rewards us"?

I think we're created by metabolic fields, aren't we? As shown in this video:

(Just the pictures I mean, ignoring the jargon being spouted by the video's talking heads.)
answered Apr 16, 2015 by visionofstrength
what is the question?  no, i don't think we're created by metabolic fields....
I think Peat does. Did you take a look at that video? It's amazing for me to see the metabolic fields take the shape of spine, head, eyes and mouth, before the actual embryo does.
yeah - it is amazing.
perfectly reflective of the fact that the creator knows our shape and life and experience before we are ever in the womb.
Interesting... is the creator religious, or spiritual, or a collective consciousness, as Peat seems to say? I'm really asking genuinely because I don't know myself.
My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was created secretly,
and intricately woven
in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my embryo,
and in your book they all were written—
days fashioned for me when there was not one of them. (psalm 139: 15-16)

The creator is spiritual.  God created Christ to do all the creating.  All physical things will someday be no more....and yet while the physical is still with us - it is always perfectly reflective of the Scriptures (which is a spiritual language).  I have been amazed over and over (but haven't shared here) how the specifics of human physiology and healing all line up perfectly with the Scriptures.  that's how you can tell it's true science - when it lines up with God's word...and most of the science that is dealt with in the Peatosphere is true science and a true perspective of the human body.  i've not really understood what Peat means by "collective consciousness", though
Thank you. You've given me a lot to think about.

The only issue I have with organized religion is its use throughout history to brainwash people into obeying the wealthy and powerful.

Apart from that, I can see how ancient scriptures might have arisen from a collective consciousness, that William Blake seems to be describing:

Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies.
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp,
Dare its deadly terrors clasp!

When the stars threw down their spears
And water'd heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Tyger Tyger burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
we both have a lot to think about.  and i agree that organized religion is corrupt and false and has even gone to the evil of literally changing the scriptures to suit the very brainwashing you are talking about.  changes that exist still today and are thought of as Christian doctrine.  thankfully, they can't erase the original scriptures - nor do they have any dominion over people's faith and God opening up people's eyes completely independent of any teacher or translation (like He did mine).   this is why i never called it religious, but called it spiritual.  God is spirit, not a man.
@visionofstrength thanks for posting that bioelectric patterns link
There's no Creator who made us, loves us, guides us, or directs us in any way whatsoever.  There is only the I AM Presence of your own being.  Only it guides or directs you.  You created yourself.  Being a projected replica of the I AM in the Great Central Sun, you have the same potential as Jesus the Christ and actually are expected over the next two thousand years to become the Christ and ascend.

The scriptures are wrong, the scribes are wrong, and the Roman cult that has perpetrated the entire travesty on humanity is wrong also.  Make no mistake, their day is done.  The veil is lifted!!  It's all totally transparent, for all to know and understand.  There's no secret.  You are your I AM Presence!  You can't be a collective consciousness, what an absurd idea!

The days of Peace and Christianity are over.  The thrust today is for freedom and for inspiration we look to the new Hierarch Saint Germain.  He along with the councils have thrown down the gauntlet:  either humanity realizes and becomes their own individualized I AM Presence, or else!

You should get up every day and contemplate deeply your situation, and ask yourself if you fully understand.  Do you realize where you are or where you're going?  Is this world real?  Is it your home?  What and to whom are you really beholden?

I learned these ideas from the accredited Messenger Monroe Shearer.  That is where I have gotten this information, which I have contemplated since the year 2000-2001, and publically testify as the TRUTH.

"Seek ye first the Kingdom of heaven and all other things will be added to you."
answered Apr 20, 2015 by raintree
Ugh. Long time crawler and appreciator of the forum, but I had to join even though it's not really a peat topic, rather a subtopic (I guess??); but I had to say something here.

There is so much wrong with that group and their twisting of scripture that it grieves me. You're also proposing a self-refuting argument by quoting one verse (incorrectly, I might add) to disprove the Creator who spoke it. And that's not even scripture, here's the actual verse:

"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." (Matt 6:33)

Note that it is His kingdom, and His righteousness, not yours. I wonder who would want to change scripture and deceive people?

Please read the entire chapter, then the following one (Matt 7), where Christ specifically warns you about people like this (Matt 7:15). In the meantime I'll be praying for you.
Gretchen? Now it makes sense.
You're a stupid nomadic banjo playing hobo who paid an obese health "professional" (LOL) money to tell you how to eat more ice cream and cheese. I bet people don't even throw money into your guitar case when you play on the street because you're that bad. It's too bad they don't because that's that's only way you pay for your "non-diet" and cigarettes.

"i believe that our creator cares for us and rewards us when we plant these seeds, when we do the right thing regardless of feeling."

Does your creator care about these people:


You and progesterone Granny raintree should start your own cult and drink the kool aid.


and thats hoBo, not homo, for all you Europeans.
answered Apr 20, 2015 by Westside PUFAs
You're such a stereotypical cali fag. If you're going to troll christians, did it occur to you that spending ten minutes to grasp christian theology at the ten year old level might be a good idea? I can go grab an eight year old to explain to you how dumb your "god starves africans" argument is. The christian god created the world perfect, but with free will.
i just wanted to make one correction for those who would want to ever consult with the Rubins:  i was never told to eat ice cream or cheese.  The Rubins are one of the few remaining actual practitioners who actually learn from the client and not the other way around.  that's old school anti-authoritarian ya'll!  I still use their philosophy and practices to this day because they teach you how to become your own practitioner.  (how rare that is).  yesterday i got into a conversation with someone which i didn't realize was an attempt on their part to convince me to start the GAPS diet.  I had almost forgotten the diet zealots and their fervor...and it made me sad to think of all the people out there forcing diets onto people and the people who waste so much money falling prey to them.  If anyone would like more info. on the Rubins' approach to working with people, i would be happy to answer any questions.
4a, your true colors come out. makes sense now. i'm not from cali. i'm boston born and raised. there are idiots everywhere. it doesn't matter where you live. rednecks are not just from the south. bill maher sells out shows in the bible belt. not everyone in the south is a hick. no, I'm not a homosexual but i wish i was because i would fuck every single day because most gay people know how to enjoy life and get to the point. i bet you're pissed the fuck off at the growing gay marriage map. haha. i know more about theology than actual religious people do.
You can drop the act and embrace your powerbottom lifestyle. It's ok. This is a safe-space.
you sure know your gay slang for a christian.
I'm sorry I accused you of being californian. A psychotic judgmental tone of moral superiority with that intensity would come from New England stock, now that I think about it. When cali fags flip out it's more about striking a pose. Under the pose San Fran fags are too live-and-let-live for the likes of you. You should move out there and mellow out. Please, go have some fun in the Castro.
I would rather be a starving child in Africa who believes in God than a middle-class thirtysomething with WP's beliefs and outlook on life.
@noob moobs you could be the most unlikeable person I have ever come across on the Internet.  You probably hate yourself.
wayne gretzky, you say that from the comfort of your warm hoser parents basement, but you insult those who are suffering on a level so much that you can't even imagine. you wouldn't last more than a milisecond in their conditions before you proceded to jump off a cliff hoping that your 2000 year old desert dwelling jew saves you.

swoldier, i would take that as a compliment from someone smart but you're so dumb that it makes it irrelevant.