This archived forum used to be called 'Peatarian' (in reference to Ray Peat). It was closed because of the behavior of Danny Roddy and his posse.

The best changes I have made since starting the "Peat diet"

1. Switched all dairy to either goat or sheep dairy.

I experimented with this after rediscovering the a1 vs a2 casein issue. I always wondered how dairy could be so physiologically and evolutionarily important, yet so poorly tolerated by most. I consider this issue now solved.

Drinking cow milk and eating cow cheese was always 'fine' for me, but I always felt that something was off. Though I never had issues with digestion, breakouts, or gas from cow dairy, I will never go back to it now that I see what dairy is really supposed to feel like. Milk and cheese used to satisfy some craving for me, but they always left me feeling a little sluggish for a while after my meals. No longer.

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Those two cheeses constitute the entirety of my dairy consumption at the moment. They are goat and sheep feta cheeses. I find them at my local middle eastern grocer (brand is 'VG commerce'?). They taste amazing and are very reasonably priced.

These are feta cheeses which means they are aged and contain little to no lactose. I find this combination of a2 casein paired with no lactose to be super easy to digest. I go through a tub a week, and I actually find that this type of dairy helps my digestion as opposed to requiring a strong digestion to handle it. It gives me a feeling of overall wellbeing, and extreme warmth from my core to my extremities.

The fact that this type of cheese is aged also means that it contains a lot of bacteria. I find this to be a positive thing as I have been experimenting again with fermented foods and have seen nothing but increases in my overall health and state of mind.

2. Lots of starches.

I began experimenting with eating lots of starches after reading about resistant starch and the human microbiome. I started eating lots of leftover baked potatoes and rice. Again, with this change I have seen nothing but improvements to my health. If you are unfamiliar with the resistant starch idea then you can read about it on these two sites:

freetheanimal.com (layman's version)
drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com (more technical breakdown, but not on the level of a scientific paper)

I believe that there is a place for starch free meals and starch free diets if one is suffering from some sort of pathogen overgrowth, but I now see that this type of diet is harmful in the long run. I've experimented, and when I am feeling weak or sick I have much more mental clarity when I avoid starches. But when I am feeling well nothing gives me warmth like starches does.

I have experimented with adding bread back into my diet multiple times but each time I realized that eating bread requires high health instead of providing high health. For this reason I have chosen to exclude it from my diet. I think the 'modern wheat vs ancient wheat' argument might have some truth.

3. Red meat and other meats again (chicken, fish, etc).

Adding these in is when my digestion really started becoming amazing again. I used to just live off of eggs/liver/oysters, but those never got me feeling as well as I did after just a few weeks of eating some nice steaks and roasted chicken. One of my favorite meals now is chicken breast with potatoes and feta cheese. I don't worry about the pufa content of chicken. I allow my cravings to tell me which type and what cut of meat to eat - I find that I usually crave red meat more so than the others.

I experimented with adding pork back into my diet but never enjoyed eating it so I don't buy it anymore.

4. Onions, Garlic, Green Onions, Leeks

This is related to the resistant starch issue above. In addition to resistant starch feeding the microbiome, there is a fiber called inulin that does the same job and is found in high amounts in the veggies I just listed. I experimented with all other kinds of veggies and found most of them to be disgusting. However, cooked onions, cooked and pickled garlic, green onions, and cooked leeks are things that I crave now. I even crave cooked spinach and beets from time to time.

5. Opening up my diet/lifestyle in general.

Last point so that this doesn't get too long. I've opened up my diet to include more fruits than the normal peaty ones (figs, banana, pineapple, cranberry sauce), I'm eating nuts and seeds again like pistachio/walnut/sunflower seeds (maybe a tiny amount every other day as I crave them).

I also no longer drink orange juice or milk for my drinks. I've instead gone back to the oldschool drinks of tea, lemonade, or posca (lemonade using vinegar instead of lemons). As long as the water is high quality (spring or sparkling mineral) I find this to be a much more stress free way of drinking fluids than trying to find high quality OJ and Milk.
asked Mar 15, 2015 by EliminateTheJuice
edited Mar 15, 2015 by EliminateTheJuice
EliminateThe Juice

Glad you are doing fine and you know what works for you best.

I have seen sheep/goat feta , but I am not sure about quality, do you buy with enzymes/vegetarian rennet?
Do you eat butter, cream, yoghurt?Or just fete cheese?

Do you eat only from starches potatoes and white rice?Do you drink any juices instead of OJ?

Do you eat white sugar?
Your diet is very similar to mine (including the posca and lemonade).

Except I don't eat goat/sheep products, as they are not available in my area, and I have no problems with bread (I also eat other starches like legumes and oatmeal).

Fermented products are great. I make my own kefir and kombucha. Kombucha can be a nice alternative to lemonade and posca.
I've was quite dismissive of the resistant starch idea. But last week I cooked a rice pudding, put the leftovers in the fridge, and was eating them for a couple of days afterwards.

The first day, I noticed that my mood and energy level were very good, and I didn't 'crash' a few hours later despite not having anything further to eat. I also felt that my sleep and digestion improved over the course of those few days.

It's very hard to tell if this was the decisive factor, but I've cooked another rice pudding and am definitely keen to experiment further.
@Illusion

The feta I buy is imported from bulgaria. I'm not sure what they use since there are no ingredients on the label, but I think it's safe to assume they use the enzymes.

I have no issues with butter/cream/yogurt, it is just that these are very expensive if you buy the sheep/goat versions. I still like to be frugal with my groceries so I tend to stick to the feta as it is very competitively priced.

I sometimes eat beans, but not often. They are ok. I don't go out of my way to buy any fruit juices because I can get fresh fruit more easily and of a higher quality and cheaper.

As for sugar I eat an extraordinary amount of honey but no table sugar.


@IslandGirl

I've never tried kombucha because it seems too trendy right now. I'm not sure if I trust that whole movement. I might give it a closer look though sometime in the distant future.
EliminateTheJuice,

I got today sheep/goat feta from  Greece, it's very strong and  very salty, I quess it's better to  eat it with other food, and maybe not too much.

Yes goats/sheep dairy are more expensive than cows.
Yes it's very salty. I sometimes eat it plain, but usually with my meals. It should have come in a brine (liquid) like this:

http://cheeseforum.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Mediterranean-Store-Vancouver-Canada-several-retail-Feta-brands-in-brine-covered-CheeseForum.com_.jpg
Thanks EliminateTheJuice,

I got from them
http://www.odysea.com/products/cheese#products

I will try the next time to eat crumbled feta on the pasta or other starches, the taste should be then better balanced.
What do your breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner look like for example? Thanks
Sure thing...

usually for breakfast i'll put a banana, four egg yolks, milk (testing goat milk right now, not sure if I will continue it), sushi rice, 3 dates into a blender and drink that. It's kind of like pudding.

If I end up not liking the goat milk my breakfast is usually something like feta with over easy eggs and potatoes

then for lunch and dinner it becomes something of a normal meal.

Usually it's some pairing of meat/starch/veg/dairy

for example today I had chicken with potatoes and feta and cooked garlic

sometimes I will have rice instead of potatoes there, or red meat instead of chicken.

The way I view meals is to put together foods that are already made instead of making 'dishes' like a chef would. For example I keep a huge stock of potatoes and rice ready to go in the fridge, have cooked spinach sitting in there too, cook meats whenever I run out, keep cheese always handy, etc.

For snacks it's usually fruit and cheese, like dried figs with feta or something similar. Sometimes even potatoes with cheese (goes down very easy and fast).
Thanks! Have you had sheeps milk before? Is it any better that goat milk? The local store carries both and for some reason goat milk just doesn't taste good to me but I love goat cheese.

And what kind of tea do you usually drink?
EliminateTheJuice

While you do not eat gluten/bread do you eat others grains instead of rice?
Did you try maybe tortilla made with masa harina?

I  got a little bored of eating just rice so I try to eat with different food, today I ate with greens.
@coatue

I've never tried sheep's milk but I would like to at some time. I've heard that goat's milk has a taste that can bother some people as well.

As far as tea, if I do drink tea it is usually something without caffeine like chamomile. I believe chamomile is anti estrogenic as well (not sure).

Most of the time though, I just mix lemon juice with honey in hot water. It is some type of lemon tea (basically hot lemonade though).

@Illusion

I've experimented with other grains like oats but I don't ever crave them. I think a healthy body should be able to handle most foods without a problem, so I try and just follow my cravings.

I've never tried masa harina either, as it is not a part of any culture that I grew up with and there is none near me.

As far as getting bored of rice it might be good to learn different ways of making rice, or eating different kinds of rice. There are many middle eastern and asian ways of making rice that should keep you from getting bored with it.

But don't limit your diet because of what I say. I think the best thing is just to experiment and see what works best for you.
Thanks,

No, I do not want limit my diet, actually now I am adding more food into my diet and your suggestion and combination of food sounds ok for me.
I like an idea to eat starches with protein and fat.

Yes, torillas  is not well know here too, but I like to eat it with protein,  it reminds me of bread.
EliminateTheJuice,

One more question about Feta cheese, how much do you eat daily?
Usually I get here 200 gram and I eat in one day. I mix it with different food, and I like to eat feta cheese as a snack with fruits as well.
200 g sounds good.

I go through about 900 g in a week minimum, so around 120-150 g per day.

I would probably eat more if I ate more food overall, but my appetite is quite low right now due to some dental issues that I am sorting out.

From all my experiments I have never found a reason to limit feta cheese. It has been nothing but good to me.

One thing though is I never mix it with red meat. Just doesn't seem right somehow. Maybe the calcium blocks absorption of some important minerals.

6 Answers

This is a great breakdown of the usual problems of the traditional peatarian diet and how to solve them.
answered Mar 15, 2015 by Bukowski
The human gut, should it ideally be germ-ridden or nearly germ-free? The mainstream view is that ideally it should be germ-ridden. This, of course, is conveniently economical for any government that has limited resources and a large population.

But Peat thinks a germ-free gut like that in a fetus and the newborn is ideal for the highly oxidized state with almost no free electrons that gives rise to flawless immunity and regeneration of tissue, and potentially even the reversal of aging and degenerative disease.

If anyone here really needs to reverse an immune or degenerative disease, please don't discard Peat's views. Mainstream papers or anecdotal reports should never, ever be trusted.

Experiment for yourself and see if he's right.
answered Mar 15, 2015 by visionofstrength
Well, how can one experiment? It's not possible to sterilize a human gut in the real world. Maybe you could a build a sterile hyperbaric chamber and live in it to prove a point, like the alleged rats I guess peat mentioned. But back in the real world your gut and skin will always be coated with bacteria. They'll grow back in an hour to cover it.
Well, as I understand it, Peat's made some suggestions for reducing germs in the gut, which I think include the tetracyclines, emodin, lapachol and other quinones, avoidance of many kinds of starch, raw carrot with salt and a little coconut oil and vinegar,  possibly charcoal in some circumstances, and I think quite a number of others not often discussed in the forums.

How you measure whether your gut is relatively more or less germ-free is an interesting question. Apart from stool tests, I think you can tell from how similar the digestive process is to a newborn's, in terms of ease of digestion, motility, etc. But that last part is my interpretation, and I haven't asked Peat.
Personally,I don't agree with you about Peat being a possible option for reversing immune diseases by getting your gut as sterile as possible.
I've found that,at least for me,it's very important that I have enough of the good bacteria in my gut.
I do admit that a Peat inspired diet/foods were delicious to eat and they surely sometimes gave me these blissful overly-positive feelings and high libido,but all the sugar in particular fructose, and the lactose from dairy weren't optimal for my gut and physique. It left me malnourished and with some other nasty side-effects,some of which I still can't get rid off.
I think,especially for people with auto-immune diseases and other chronic conditions,they'd probably be better off by (losely) following certain nutritional recommendations from diets like SCD and GAPS,building the gut&gutflora back up bc that's where a major part of your immune system lies.
Dutchiee, what have you tried in the way of experimenting with a more germ-free gut? Have you tried any of the tetracyclines? emodin? raw carrot and charcoal?

My sense is that it's difficult for people to self-experiment because while Peat provides a general theory of biophysics and cell physiology, he hasn't had a chance to write a practical guide, and as 4a55 suggests, it's also hard to measure your progess with something like a more or less germ-free gut.

I'm working now on what I hope might be an (animated) practical guide for self-experiment.
The raw carrot didn't do a thing and I don't have the money nor do I care for increasing all kinds of supplements in order to be supposedly 'healthy'.
The Peat scene is the only community where I see people taking supplements as if they're candy and then going on about how 'healthy they are and how much better they're doing'. I haven't even seen most Lymies take so many supplements.
In my opinion good health&immune function is not having to rely on/take all kinds,or at least not much, of supplements,vitamins&minerals,hormones etc.in order to function properly.

So,this is probably the part where I'm being told "that I did it all wrong and/or haven't tried etc." like what happens in all dietary communities where the 'followers' are hung up by everything 'their Guru" advocates.

I'm glad that Peat's recommendations are working for you and some others here,but that doesn't mean that his recommendations work for everyone and that he's basically the 'saviour' for all.
Not having the money is a concern I understand. What I like about Peat's theories is that they only call for things, like tetracyclines, charcoal and emodin, that are (for me) relatively inexpensive.

Not putting anything in your mouth that's not pure is very important for me, too. I think Peat started arguing for this around 50 years ago, and he thinks he's seen more people helped by stopping supplements than by taking them.

So, you and Peat (and I) don't seem so far apart?

Myself, I was just asking in order to learn a little about you! Thanks for sharing!
I won't pretend to be smart enough or have access to enough resources to adequately answer this question - however I will point out a flaw in your reasoning and give an anecdote of my own.

I have through experiment sterilized my gut (as much as you can in the real world). The result was extreme constipation no matter how much fiber I ate. A large amount of our stools are made of dead bacteria.

So that being said, how does an infant poop so regularly if all they drink is milk (no fiber). It's the bacteria. They have tons.

These bacteria, and if they are the right ones, provide tons of benefits to the human organism. They synthesize vitamins for us, kill off pathogens, do some crazy gene transfer stuff that we don't even understand yet, and digest foods for us.

I'll give another anecdote. The whole time when I had a 'sterile' gut, my urine was clear no matter what diet I tried (matt stone diet too). Now that I eat in this way, my urine is super yellow no matter how much water I drink. I'm always warm too.

I try not to get caught up in fads and theory... I search for real results, and I have finally found them at least for myself.
@EJ, I wonder the same things! Some thoughts:

If you had a sterile gut, and you ate fiber, I think constipation would be the result. There would be no bacteria to decompose the fiber, and your digestive process might grind to a halt.

Why does a solely breast-fed baby have such consistent motility? I think the breastmilk is digested almost immediately in the mouth, stomach and small intestine, and there's little if any need for gut flora in the large intestine.

Why is the color of your urine sometimes clear and sometimes yellow? I think there are many reasons (such as whether you take B vitamins), but an interesting one that Peat describes is this:

The kidneys adjust the osmolarity of the blood by allowing water and solutes to leave the bloodstream, in proportions that usually keep the body fluids in balance with cells. The kidneys are able to compensate for many of the imbalances produced by stress and inappropriate diets, for example by forming ammonia and carbon dioxide, to compensate for imbalances in the alkalis and acids that are being delivered to the blood by other organs.

All good thoughts, and glad you are doing well!
Two observations.

If you are familiar with the bristol stool scale - my constipation was at a 1 on the scale. Small pebble like stools, which don't match up at all to what I was eating, and the quantity that I was eating. I was actually going 3 times a day (the most for me ever), but it was not enjoyable or easy to pass.

As for the breast fed baby - I don't know if all of the milk is digested as quickly as that. Look into oligosaccharides.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/3/847S.full

BTW, even if the milk were completely digested in the upper tract, where does the bulk of the stool come from?

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On to the kidney/urine issue. If the kidneys are releasing a lot of water, it means that the body fluid is not balanced to the cells I would assume.

As far as B vitamins I knew about their effect on urine and therefore never took them.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, EJ, but glad to know you feel better! There are many reasons for severe constipation, as you probably know? sometimes the type of fiber, for example -- which fiber was it? Did you happen to ask Peat about it?

In a solely breast fed newborn, I'm thinking that there's very little bulk if any, and that the motility is consistent to within an hour or two after the feeding. Does that seem right?

The only thing I've heard from Peat about the practical application of urine is that you can measure the amount of water you take in (noting that there is water in nearly all food and drinks), and compare it to the amount of urine you produce. At average temp and humidity, for each liter of urine less than the water consumed, roughly 1,000 calories were metabolized, in turn resulting in evaporation of a liter of water.

Extending this, the color of the urine is a function of how much water you consume, how much you metabolize, and, finally, the breakdown of bilirubin (from the heme part of red blood cells) that has remained in the bloodstream, rather than being excreted in the stool.

So my own simple takeaway is, while the quantity of urine in a day is important, its color or lack of it can mean many things, not necessarily bad or good.

I think Matt Stone may have overstated his journalistic case for the importance of yellow urine, but Stone often disclaims that he's a journalist no one should trust as an advisor.
Let's suppose baby's do have a sterile gut...
I think there's one important factor overlooked here. Baby's don't have any stress that imbalances their gutflora.
They don't have thinking develloped brains like we do,they don't experience pressure from society/media or whatever,they haven't experienced any emotionally/traumatic experiences in life yet,they haven't been polluted for years with bad food,xeno-estrogens,EMF's etc.

The older we get,the more we're being exposed to all these things,so I think that's why,imo, it's critical to have good gutflora bc no matter what you do and how hard you try,you'll never be able to escape stress/pain/anxiety etc.completely and be carefree&innocent like babies are. So,a sterile gut would too easily be disrupted and turn towards bacterial overgrowth.
I never asked Peat - I wasn't taking fiber, just eating whole fruits and meat. But I solved it just by eating resistant starch and inulin. Like I said it wasn't really constipation in the traditional sense.
Peat describes resistant starch as a good thing in moderation because it can be antiseptic, in combination with salt and a little coconut oil and vinegar.

I think the forums talk at least about raw carrot or bamboo shoots as the common resistant starches, and there are others.

In your post, you seem to say that while you now take resistant starch, you didn't before take carrot or bamboo shoots or any of the other resistant starches (even well-cooked potatoes or maize processed with lime) that Peat suggests?

Thanks for sharing!
carrot and bamboo shoots aren't resistant starches. Carrot is mainly soluble fiber.
@Dutchiee, I just try to interpret Peat's writings (which I regard as an important body of scientific work), and as I understand him, carrot and bamboo shoots are something he calls "resistant" or "antiseptic" starch.

But I wonder if other websites use the phrase "resistant starch" in a different context?
Yes,Peat spoke about the carrot and bamboo shoots as antiseptic,however that is not to be confused as resistant starch.
Resistant starch can be found in (cooked&cooled)potatos,beans/legumes,green banana&plantains.

Richard Nikoley of Free The Animal has a lot on Resistant Starch.
I haven't asked Peat what he means by "resistant starch", and he hasn't written much about it that I can see. In the context of his writings (that I intend here), it seems (to me) "resistant" and "antiseptic" are meant to be interchangeable.

As you suggest, that may be different from other websites.
You know,I'm not gonna waste time anymore on this discussion bc it's obvious for me that I'm wasting my time in trying to do so.
I wish you all good luck in your future endeavours.

Peace out.
@Dutchiee, sorry I missed your comment above:

Baby's don't have any stress that imbalances their gutflora.
they don't have thinking develloped brains like we do,they don't experience pressure from society/media or whatever,they haven't experienced any emotionally/traumatic experiences in life yet,they haven't been polluted for years with bad food,xeno-estrogens,EMF's etc.

The older we get,the more we're being exposed to all these things,so I think that's why,imo, it's critical to have good gutflora bc no matter what you do and how hard you try,you'll never be able to escape stress/pain/anxiety etc.completely and be carefree&innocent like babies are. So,a sterile gut would too easily be disrupted and turn towards bacterial overgrowth.

I think this is a great point, in the context of Peat's work. Agree that the gut is very susceptible to stress, both physical (contaminants) and emotional (sadness, depression, anxiety). Babies don't have any of that, I would guess!
I see on this forum that Peat is said to have suggested, as an alternative to carrot, that "washed and cooked bran or psyllium husk can be effective, too."

http://peatarian.com/peatexchanges
wow, 2-5 are remarkably the same as my changes...  i haven't really thought of it, but things diet-wise are pretty much normal now.  i may still be healing but at least there's a baseline of normalcy now.
answered Mar 15, 2015 by Nicholas
Same here. Weird.
I've made a lot of similar changes lately.

I agree 100% about dairy; it is, and always has been my nemesis.  I was dairy free most all of my 20s and 30s and honestly, only started drinking cows milk again 3 years ago because of the overwhelming dogma in this group that it's" really all a hormonal issue."  I have never felt more out of it physically and emotionally practically since I was a teen and though cytomel helped some I think the suffering A1 milk causes is absurd.  Though goat milk has worked well for me at the moment it's out of my budget, so will be using cows or goat cheese occasionally.

Kefir used to be my go-to drink.  I've been drinking it about 10 years off and on, and probably always will.

I'm not sure about starches, having just added them back recently.  White rice and potatoes don't bother me, but don't do much for me either.  I think they are good for variety and seem to have improved my meal quality and bowels some, but also initially noted an uptick in vivid dreams, something I'm trying to reduce because I'm convinced it's caused by serotonin.

With the starches I've added some ghee which I like because of the butrayte.  It was my staple for years and what I prefer to cook with.  Coconut oil does nothing for me.

I've got some bison in the freezer.  The last few years without regular servings of meat have worn me down;  oddly, I don't miss it that much.  But it's the best food for me digestive-wise.  I was a vegan in my 20s and also grew up during the "anti cholesterol" years (70s-80s), so have some guilt about meat.  But it works for me, whereas most all other foods don't.  I may also add, god forbid, some sardines, my favorite food before I went Peatian.

I've also added cooked onions and garlic.  Also, raw garlic and ginger for gut biome health.  So far bowels are better.  I use the ginger after dairy meals (actually after most all meals).

I've added okra also which I wonder how I lived without before.  
 
However, I wondered today after lunch after counting and realizing I'd had something like 7 servings of fruits and vegetables if it might be too much.

I'm still drinking OJ though I don't consider it a "high quality" food, and also eat a lot of figs.  I considering adding green tea back, since I never got anything out of coffee.  Bananas still don't work for me and am considering eating fruit mostly in the spring and summer, and limiting it the rest of the year.

I'll never add back nuts, seeds, or oils other than coconut for any reason though, the rest of my life, just based on what happened in my late 30s-early 40s.  Those suckers really are evil.
answered Mar 27, 2015 by raintree
raintree,
Have you had access to A2 milk to compare it to the A1?   I'd love to try some, but I've never seen it.  I would also imagine that the milk from a confirmed A2 herd would be nearly as expensive as goat's milk, if not more.  (I get raw milk from an Amish farmer, but his breed is mixed).
Also: I'm curious about why you don't consider oj to be a high quality food.  Are you buying it pasteurized?  And what's the deal with okra?
Not sure if the a1 / a2 thing is really the only issue. The whole structure of goat milk is vastly different (fat is naturally "homogenized"  and doesn't rise to the top for example).
I really don't know about the situation in the US, but just walking up to smaller goat farms and asking them directly for milk has always worked for me and is a lot cheaper than buying it in the store.

Have you tried yerba mate (unsmoked) instead of coffee? Lower fluoride than green tea

I would also like to know about the okras.
A lot of people are having problems when removing starch. I can not figure out why, but it's true. Perhaps decades of eating starch leads to dependence on them in some way? Essentially 100% of new born babies are fine without starch.
^ possibly increased sodium requirements, which they aren't aware of, or don't have the expertise to fulfill them.

taking progesterone or vitamin e also increases sodium excretion, and these supplements are taken often, making the sodium deficiency even worse.

farmers cheese is also popular in these circles, and it's an overall mineral depletor, not just sodium.
Why does farmer's cheese deplete minerals, Anon?
Because it loses almost all its alkaline minerals in the process, including calcium and sodium, which tend to be preserved in other cheeses, while keeping a high amount of phosphorus.

For example, if you consume 30 grams of protein from milk, you get 100 mg of magnesium. If you consume 30 grams of protein from farmers cheese, you get like 12 mg of magnesium.

Other cheeses at least preserve the calcium. Farmers cheese does not. Other cheeses lose a lot of magnesium, but not as much as farmers cheese.

It's a very acidic food. Phosphorus is acidic, processing protein creates acidic byproducts which increase the requirements of alkaline minerals.
When you say "farmers cheese" are you referring to that abomination people make at home by heating up the milk and then adding lemon juice/vinegar instead of rennet?

If yes then you're probably right. The simple fact that people have been using animal rennet (which is extremely hard to come by) for centuries instead of cheap vinegar is a pretty good indicator.
If there is another type of 'farmers cheese', I don't recall, but if so, I think it's also low in minerals.
skally, off topic, you mentioned okra. i thought that stuff wasn't even eaten due to its high oxalic acid content and potential to create kidney stones.
Raintree was talking about okra in his post. I personally don't eat them, was just curious why he likes them so much
I think any cheese made without real rennet will probably be lower in minerals and generally inferior. Rennet is a complex mix of enzymes that curdles the milk in the same way it would in the stomach of newborn animals.
You can't just throw vinegar or lemon juice in milk and expect the same result
if i recall correctly, using buffalo milk produces a better result, even with acid.

Though I'm not sure "better" in this context means good.
Nice post raintree.

As far as the starches go, I had some of those similar issues when I first added potatoes back into my diet, but over time they have gone away. I started cooking them better (cut in half, baked at 400 for 45 minutes), and my body probably got adjusted to them.

I agree that vivid dreams are a sign of some issue. I usually get them on days when I wake up feeling poorly from having eating something inappropriate the day before.

As for nuts/seeds/oils since making my last post that stared this thread, I have only eaten a handful of pistachios in total. They will never be a staple for me, and my body seems to regulate the craving for them pretty strictly. I'll make sure to keep your words regarding them in my mind though.

One thing I do have to reevaluate is my use of olive oil. I have been using it when making my baked potatoes because I stopped using butter due to the dairy issue.

I just recently made my own tallow and saw that there is a good brand available on amazon that I might check out. I find it strange that no store near me has tallow for sale.

Anyways enough of my ranting.

Sardines are good. I eat fatty fish from time to time. I like it better raw than cooked. Cooking must change the fatty acids in some way.

I'm a big fan of figs as well. No issues with the seeds in them for me.

As far as tea goes I did experiment with coffee, black tea, green tea, oolong tea, puerh tea, and english teas but in the end I decided to avoid all caffeine and even dark chocolate. My body just doesn't like the stimulants.

I also am not sure what to make of the flouride issue in teas, so I try not to drink too much of them. It's easy to make a tea without leaves, just heat up water, add honey and lemon to taste. You could probably add ginger to this too and whatever else you can come up with.

As far as meat making you feel guilty, if you are feeling guilty that you are eating a dead animal, just understand that killing others in order to prolong your own life is part of the burden of being at the top of the food chain. Instead of feeling guilty about it, use that burden as a means to push yourself to make the sacrifice of the animal not have been in vain. Make your life worth it.
Similar with me, I used to eat a lot figs fresh and dried, and they do not bother me. I like them, but I didn't eat them for awhile.

Cheese curdling with bacteria improves the calcium content as well.
It's better digested than farmers cheese as well and people with problems to digest dairy should do better with it.

I stopped to drink milk and instead I drink/eat fermented dairy.
I'd like to switch to goat milk, but I struggle to digest milk fat. The fat from meat is better. Not really sure why, though I have a few ideas.

Since goat milk is naturally homogenized, you can't get reduced fat goat milk, so I avoid it...for now.
answered Apr 2, 2015 by Shredder
Well I have been experimenting with goat milk the past week or so and you aren't missing too much. The quality is quite low (UHT) and i'm not sure I am a fan.

Does that mean you can't eat cheese either?
I saw that "posca" was mentioned. How do you make this beverage?

On wikipedia, it says: "No recipes for posca are known to have survived. An approximate recreation of the beverage can be made by combining 1¬Ω cups of vinegar with ¬Ω cup of honey, 1 tablespoon of crushed coriander seed and 4 cups of water. The mixture should be boiled in a saucepan to dissolve the honey before being allowed to cool to room temperature. After straining out the coriander seeds, it can be served"

Do you really add that much vinegar? Doesn't it burn your bowels with that much?
answered Apr 13, 2015 by freshness
That's not the recipe I use. I simply put a kitchen tablespoon (not a measuring tablespoon) of vinegar into some water (maybe around a cup) and put in some honey to taste.

Sometimes I make the same exact drink using sparkling water instead, which really cuts down the sour taste.

It's basically the same thing as making lemonade by squeezing some lemons into water and sugar. But instead of lemon juice you use vinegar.

It's not meant to be a weird drink, or something that should burn or hurt or whatever. It should taste good if done right.
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