This archived forum used to be called 'Peatarian' (in reference to Ray Peat).

Raw Carrot and Potassium

So, I tried the raw carrot today. It tasted like watered down shit, perhaps because of my grating methodology.

I added coconut oil and honey, which might have made it taste worse.

I noticed that I felt worse rather than better after eating the carrot, and also noticed that I had the urge to cover it in a substantial amount of salt the whole time I was eating it.

I'm sure there are some health merits to the daily raw carrot, but probably only for people whose metabolic rate is already stable at a high level. For people whose metabolic rate is questionable, the potassium in the carrots most likely does more harm than good. Foods high in sodium would probably be a preferable alternative.

asked Mar 1, 2015 by hazmatt

Why?

sodium and potassium kind of work in opposition

Not really, 'ratios' are overrated, I don't think you can ever get too much potassium, besides a carrot doesn't even give you that much potassium. One medium-sized carrot has less potassium than 100ml OJ.

Ray Peat mainly thinks calcium:phosphorus balance should be considered and one shouldn't worry about the others if all are kept high (which should be the case if the diet is high in milk, fruits and at least some shellfish) and even calcium:phosphate is not that important if you're eating a lot of fruits. Also you can't really get too much potassium from your diet ever, especially if you're eating high carb you should probably worry more about getting not enough, if anything.

"Not really, 'ratios' are overrated, I don't think you can ever get too much potassium, besides a carrot doesn't even give you that much potassium. One medium-sized carrot has less potassium than 100ml OJ."

Actually, Ray Peat has expressed disapproval of diets naturally high in potassium. In fact, he criticized the Gerson Therapy for being too high in potassium and also claimed (without proof, as is typical of Peat) that the original Gerson diet was not high in K and was high in Na.

But then Peat contradicted himself about the Gerson Therapy by saying that the reason it is helpful is because the alkaline minerals can substitute for each other. The Gerson therapy is very high in K and Mg and very low in Na and Ca which is the exact opposite of Peat. But since Ray Peat always has to find a way to make himself right, he claims that the K and Mg can substitute for the Na and Ca and everything works out great in the end. So a high K and high Mg diet are bad but not really since the body can use alkaline minerals interchangeably. If that is the case, why don't we just drink salt water and allow the body to convert the Na into K, Ca and Mg?

I have a copy of the original Gerson therapy and Dr Gerson felt that high Ca and high Na were toxic to cells.

Ray Peat has said that a high Na, high Ca diet will protect against Mg loss so there is no need to worry about Mg (contradicting the information in his earlier books).

Most of the world's population did not evolve eating a high Na high Ca diet and as a result, the body conserves Na and Ca quite well. Dumping salt into several quarts of milk per day will ruin the health of most people. A high milk diet creates a serious imbalance between Ca and Mg no matter how much fruit is eaten because milk is so very high in Ca.

i agree that it is more an issue of not getting enough potassium. peatarian foods are low in potassium compared to other food staples. i felt a lot better when i increased my potassium intake (i.e. better balanced)

islandgirl - "salt to taste" is a phrase thrown around here in any discussion on salting food....but pboy pointed out that your tongue adapts your taste for salt. decreasing my salt intake but still using it (i.e. balancing) helped a lot. it's strange how all these Peat things become isolated metabolic-boosters when really they are no more important or less important than any other mineral, vitamin, etc.

IslandGirl/Guy, are you referring to this:
"... the book published under the name of Max Gerson after his death, which inserted essentially fraudulent material to support an approach that is exactly what Gerson strongly advised against."

The minerals "needed" at any given time to optimize health are highly contextual. If your body has trouble retaining sodium, which is the case with most hypothyroid individuals, then consuming foods high in potassium would probably create problems. If, on the other hand, your metabolism is rocking, and you can chug any amount of orange juice without getting freezing cold afterwards, then potassium would be much more beneficial than sodium.

I find that no matter how much salt I put on foods like potatoes and carrots, they have a net "cooling" effect, which is NOT what I'm going for in my current physiological state. Ray Peat has probably balanced everything PERFECTLY after experimenting his entire life, and his metabolic rate is higher than the average persons, and ESPECIALLY higher than people like you and me who are scouring the internet to fix our shitty health. It would make sense he can tolerate foods high in potassium and with a high water content like milk and OJ.

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answered Mar 2, 2015 by visionofstrength

yea the vinegar and salt would have probably been a substantial improvement

It seems she grates the carrots lengthwise? That might be why mine has never looked like as hers.

Yeah, I just kind of mangled mine with a cheese grater, which probably didn't help things

It does not have to be grated in the religious way. Just eat a few carrots as you feel like.

I tend to think that it is more important to find carrots that taste good to you and to eat them at approximately the same time each day, than to make some fancy salad. You can eat coconut oil, salt and sugar at the other meals, so you shouldn't feat to eat the carrot just by itself.

answered Mar 2, 2015 by Kranum

Yeah, I've found both carrots and potatoes in bags surprisingly inconsistent and risky. You get a lot that are far off. Ideally you want to pick them out individually. I've discovered you can smell when root vegetables have been stressed or have not been stored properly.

If you see a guy in the grocery store sniffing the carrots and potatoes it's me.

Carrot "salad" is overrated.

I just eat a peeled raw carrot by itself, sometimes dipping in Coconut oil and salt.

answered Mar 2, 2015 by lvysaur
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