This archived forum used to be called 'Peatarian' (in reference to Ray Peat).

Please help me help my Dad.

I am currently visiting my 70 year old father and his wife, who is a nurse. (We are not very close, and I haven't seen him for over a year, but I love him very much and want to see him in good health).

He had mentioned to me a few months ago that he has been diagnosed as a prediabetic, and the first thing I noticed upon my arrival was that he had lost some weight in his abdominal area. (He is a very big, muscular, robust guy and has been working out with weights). Good start.

I also noticed that he drank about 8 mixed drinks (with generous amounts of vodka) over the next 3 hours. That is nothing new, as he has been an alcoholic for as long as I've known him. He'll typically begin drinking in the early afternoon and continue until after dinner.

He has also always eaten lots of butter, fried eggs, and meat. In fact, he's always bragged that the eggs didn't seem to hurt his cholesterol. But I see that he's now taking Statins. (I have a feeling that he wouldn't share the extent of his alcohol consumption with the prescribing physician/nurse).

Although we're not close, he seems to value my opinion, but his wife is a little proprietary about his diet/medical care. (She is one to discourage the egg and butter consumption and encourage the salads with the "heart-healthy" dressing).

If you could offer my father one piece of advice, what would it be? (I don't think that he currently identifies as an alcoholic, and I don't think he will ever give up alcohol).

I would appreciate it if nobody trolls on this thread, because I may want to share it with him. Thanks in advance!

asked Feb 21, 2015 by kapow
edited Feb 21, 2015 by kapow

4 Answers

I think the key to liver health is improving urea synthesis, thereby reducing ammonia and nitric oxide.

Urea, niacinamide and thiamine can be dissolved in water and added to any drink, including alchohol. They should be taken with each drink of alcohol.

Ammonia and nitric oxide levels in the intestine can be improved with magnesium bicarbonate water, raw carrot and coconut oil, cascara, tetracyclines, and activated charcoal.

The need to consume alcohol should simply diminish on its own as the liver and intestine improve.

answered Feb 21, 2015 by VoS

Thanks, VoS. Much appreciated. :-)

Peat - "The bulk powder from Farmalabor in Italy is the kind I like best, but US Customs can cause problems with that." (cascara)

Luckily, I have a connect in Italy.

Please get your dad on some desiccated thyroid, progesterone and pregnenolone.

"In 1976, I saw a 52 year-old woman who had the diagnosis of epileptic dementia. After 3 or 4 days of taking progesterone, her mental function returned to the extent that she could find her way around town by herself, and could work. A few months later, she returned to graduate school, got straight As and a master's degree. A few years later, a man in his 80s showed the classical signs of senile dementia, with childishness, confusion, self-centeredness, and unstable emotions. A few days after getting a mixture of thyroid, pregnenolone, and progesterone, his mind was again clear, and he was able to work on a research project he had set aside years before."

"I knew someone who had been addicted to morphine and alcohol for 30 years, who was drinking quarts of beer and wine daily when he didn't have morphine, who had an opportunity for a good job if he could get sober. Starting progesterone at bedtime (and stopping the wine), he said it was the first time he didn't have a hangover in the morning. He used enough progesterone to neuter most people, but said it didn't affect his sex function; he was taking a lot of Cytomel and magnesium, but wasn't drunk again as long as I knew him, and his general health improved.
[Continued] The person I described who recovered so completely took about 1000 mg of progesterone during the first night, and more than 1000 mg daily for a few weeks, but that much could make some people comatose; it's a matter of individual hormone status. I think the SSRI drugs continue to do harm, even when they reduce withdrawal symptoms."

answered Feb 23, 2015 by Broda Barnes

Thanks, Broda. :-)

Ha, no Problem. I also never treated an alcoholic who was not hypothyroid.

The way you describe him (robust,muscular etc) sounds pretty good for a 70 year old - actually any adult. Adding fruit would be a good idea. I'm sure his wife would support that idea as well ;)

answered Feb 21, 2015 by inflamed

Yes, he is doing pretty well for his age, but I'm a little concerned that the Statins are ill-advised, all things considered.
I agree about the fruit. Right now he gets plenty of juice in his mixed drinks, but that's about it.

I know how you feel. My dad is on a cocktail of 10 different medications which includes statins. Yes, 10. Possibly more. But he works hard and has lots of relationships and is a happy guy. So as much as I try to convince him that he should stop the medications and address his low thyroid, he is doing fine for his age and has aged well. He argues that his doctor is one of the best in New York City and feels he is in good hands, so telling him that he should get off the medications is basically out of the question.

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Translation: Don't overeat oils, dairy fat and muscle meats.

answered Feb 21, 2015 by Westside PUFAs
edited Feb 23, 2015 by Westside PUFAs

The part of his advice that coincides with Peat is reducing polyunsaturated fats -which Peat thinks is the main cause of diabetes-, because Barnard advocates reducing all fats (therefore, also PUFAs).

His advice other than that is from a Peat perspective unnecessarily restrictive and probably counterproductive.

Barnard makes it very clear that avoiding oils is crucial. I disagree with him about soy and choline. He does have clinical research to back his claims on diabetes reversal. Barnard looks good for a 62 year old man. He is the kind of leanness that is healthy. He is energetic. He has no moobs or turkey neck, just 5 months ago:

7 minutes into the vid:

Too weak and frail.

I will admit that I used to be a very radical supporter of the PCRM, and to express solidarity with my feelings, my father would occasionally go so far as to order a veggie burger topped with bacon and cheese. That's about as vegan as he gets. :-)
Also: I've read a bit about saturated fat protecting against alcohol induced fatty liver, and I wonder about the effects of an overall lowfat diet on an alcoholic.

@chubby depressed boy,

"With the amount of pussy I slay, a Tempur-Pedic is my only option."

HAHAHA! What a fucking joke. Thanks for making me laugh today. :)

I'd rather be weak and frail (by your definition) than be a guy who has manboobs, turkey neck, and a gut. You do not get laid, you don't "slay" anything. You jerk of to Josh Rubins wife and your fantasy is to have her plug you with a dildo from behind while you suck on Josh's tits. The only women you get are fatties. Anyone can get fatties. They are the easiest to get. But a quality women, lean, fit, and hot, you'll never get being the way you are now. It takes work buddy. Work that you aren't willing to do.


I don't think that veganism from a nutritional standpoint is even necessary for anyone. But I do think that people over eat muscle meats, and dairy fat. Anyone with good observational skills can see that John McDougall is not 100% vegan. There are videos on youtube of him saying “Have a little turkey on Thanksgiving” and other old videos where he says that the only reason he promotes his program the way he does, is because he knows how hard it is for people to not eat the fatty foods, but he knows that people will still eat them, he just hopes that they really limit it to get results. I don’t even think Neal Barnard is truly 100% vegan is his own life. I think a lot of those people know that for promotion, they have to say 100%. Being 100% vegan is only for ethical vegans. There are only very few people who I think are true vegans. Most of the people on the internet, I don’t think are 100%. The only reason I research people like them are to get an understanding from all sides. i’m not dogmatic anymore. Some people can’t give up certain foods. The thing is though, you don’t have to give them up forever, or even for long periods of time. For me, I had and still am fixing major blood sugar problems. Having messed up blood sugar at 28 years old? It’s not fun.

I am experimenting with small amounts of butter and CO for liver health. I take butter and CO as a supplement by themselves, before I eat any starch, I wait at least 2 hours before I eat starch after I take it. i'll get labs after a while to see if it did anything. I think the key though is to no overdo it. Dave Asprey has diabetes, he's on meds, because he consumes way too much fat and has too much excess adiposity that contributes to that.

@Lost and Insecure

Ha. I love when you call me fat. I've been underweight my whole life. Now you come along, never having seen what I look like and call me fat. Remember, I am 6 ft tall 175 lbs. I have a full head of brown hair and blue eyes. I am ripped. Chicks love me bro. Girls like muscle dude, not scrawny pussies that can't protect them. Yes, I eat pints of ice cream and gallons of whole milk like it's my job. Why? Because I can.

High carb/low fat diets are for the poor who rationalize that their diet is optimal, but really they just can't afford the good shit. Go get a job dude.

Meanwhile you look at a girl like FreeLee and think that is attractive. Ugh. Pale, boney, washed out and whiney because she runs on cortisol and needs some saturated fat in her life. You think FreeLee is fit, lean and hot? She looks like she just walked out of a concentration camp. I can tell you are an dogmatic piece of shit just like her and durianrider. Like attracts like. You probably pick up chicks at the salvation army.

And why are you even here? Are you really that desperate for attention that you have to contradict the principles that the site was founded on? Go to 30BAD if you want to be with desperate people like yourself. Your shit wouldn't fly over at RayPeatForum and that's why you come here to troll. Loser.

Your words, from your post that you deleted from only a couple months ago:

""I'm not crazy or insane, and I don't think I'm a hypochondriac. I feel cold, tired, stressed, angry all the time. I have no interest in being around other people. I can't keep up with the conversations, I'm just cognitively slow. I really don't know what it is like to feel normal anymore. I never feel at peace. I feel this constant state of paranoia. Absolutely nothing works and I am starting to lose hope. There are thousands of people with this same illness, but no one seems to be cured. I spent a couple months trying to address the spiritual side of things, but my improvement is limited because of my physical health." - Booby Brackins

Need I say more? You lose. High fat diet fail. You may not be fat, but you certainly aren't healthy with what you said about yourself. You said it, not me.

I actually take something back, you can get more than just fatties. You get dumb girls. Unintelligent morons. The kind of girls who say things like "We were so ratchet last night.." Anyone can also get a dumb girl, as well as a fat girl. I'm over that. I'm looking for a woman who can hold a conversation with me for more than two sentences. I'm looking for intelligence.

I dated a girl once, and I was talking to a friend about Mussolini, and the girl said "Is that the guy they found in Santa Monica?" She thought Whitey Bulger was Mussolini. I bet you didn't even know who Mussolini was until you just googled it now. I bet you don't know what country people who are Dutch or Danish are from, I bet you think that Africa is a country and not a continent.

"she runs on cortisol and needs some saturated fat"

You're so dumb. See, I told you, if you did your research, Peat research, you would know that sugar (fruit) is the first thing to lower cortisol and, not eating raises cortisol, something that Freelee does not do, she's eats a lot, and a lot of sugar. If Freelee was bent over naked in front of you, you would stick it in, don't lie. And she would be the fittest girl you've ever had sex with in your life.

6 feet, 175 is actually on the heavier side. Look up UFC fighters who are 6 feet and 145-155 max, when lean, the ones who weigh more have more fat.

30BAD would ban me because I'm not vegan, despite how many times you and bflay say it. You guys can't see the difference between veganism and a HCLF diet. They are different things.

"Girls like muscle dude, not scrawny pussies that can't protect them."

Johhny Depp is scrawny and even if he wasn't famous he would still pull dimepieces. Not all girls like swoldiers. All that I've been with have told me that they like just a basic cut, not swoll. But there is a market for whey broteins like you. The ratchet girls.

Also, I'm the same height as you, same hair, I'm not bald, same eyes, I just weight a little more than you. But I guarantee that I have a better face. You probably just look like one of the goofy rawbrah guys. And I bet that you've never had a 10, a real 10, in your life. You get 6's and 7's.

Chris Froome, non-vegan, is skinnier than Durianrider:

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"I would appreciate it if nobody trolls on this thread, because I may want to share it with him. Thanks in advance!"
I think you tried, you really tried, but you just couldn't hold back, could you Rob? You couldn't even refrain from objectifying women in this thread? Maybe next time? ;-)

@Lost and Insecure

You probably have beady eyes and an extremely long, thin face with crooked teeth. Thanks to Weston A. Price and the FAT soluble vitamins, I have high cheekbones, a great smile, and a defined jaw.

I also think if you started to adopt the Peatarian principles, you will be able to address your Asperger's.


Sorry Kapow. I'm all done with this clown. I won't be returning to this thread. I wanted to help your father out, but when I see Rob posting non-peatarian garbage, I had to chime in. I highly suggest a combination of progesterone, thyroid, and pregnenolone. These things will bring cholesterol down. I wish your father the best.

The thing is, I don't think he necessarily needs to bring his cholesterol down. I talked to him last night, and found out that his LDL is about 140. He doesn't know his HDL, but I would imagine that it's high, considering the saturated fat, weight training, and alcohol.
So I would think that the cholesterol may actually be protective at this point. Anyway, thanks for your input!