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Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

What is chronic fatigue syndrome from a Ray Peat perspective? Despite many improvements on the Ray Peat protocol, I still suffer from "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome." My temps are up, and I certainly have less anxiety and depression, but I am always exhausted. I'm not sure what else I can do to. Should I be drinking 50 cups of coffee a day like Ray used to? This is how I feel:

asked Feb 10, 2014 by Ray Peat is a God

Apparently more females than males are diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, but this isn't the case in prepubescent children, which has made some researchers suggest estrogen may play a role in CFS.

Have you looked at this:

Causes of CFS and other inflammatory disease: toxic load of linoleic acid, carageenan and endotoxin; anti-thyroid estrogenic levels.

What to try: avoid PUFAs, carageenan; use activated charcoal to reduce endotoxins; balance thyroid and progesterone levels.

Let me know if you have questions about it?

And yes, drink as much coffee as you can to bowel tolerance, but always with milk, gelatin or other food. Anecdotally, it seems Peat drinks about 4.5 cups of coffee a day made at 4x strength, and then mixed with enough milk to make it regular strength.

When can I drink coffee? i start the morning with orange juice and banan milkshake with cinnamon and some jam before my gym workout, i cant add cofee there, i think it would be mixing too much with the orange and milk already.

what are some good coffes that can be bought in spain?

All coffees are good if they're organic or so.
The problem is that the banana is not going to help at all. The starch will feed endotoxins, and in general it is irritating to the gut, stimulating serotonin secretion.

But the milkshake with cinnamon tastes so good. What the fuck do I replace it with then? I like bananas.

5 Answers

You say you've had some improvements, but what is diet/protocol exactly?

...and no, I don't think mere mortals like us should drink 50 cups of coffee :P

answered Feb 10, 2014 by LoveBlood

There's a lot of info on the www about dopamine connection and cfs. Also look at low dose naltrexone as possible therapy.

answered Feb 12, 2014 by Honeybee

okay. yea there seems to be a lot of reserach on dopamine connection to cfs

chronic fatigue syndrome is, as you know, something which cannot be truly diagnosed. so for the time being, i would throw CFS out of the picture and focus on the basics - like creating an environment of oxidative metabolism. Becoming aware of your body and how to truly create cellular energy is the first step and for many people can take a long time. Then if the issues remain, consider things like viruses and deep-rooted organ/cell malfunctions. If you want some simplified answer to what's causing everything, then you will forever be looking for it.

answered Feb 12, 2015 by Nicholas

I think chronic fatigue is associated with viruses, I seem to remember Epstein Bar virus's get a lot of mentions on the subject. So it would seem any diet that keeps your immune system chugging is good.

If the virus hypothesis bares much scrutiny, then focusing on things that beef up your immune system seems logical. Good nutrition paying attention to Vitamin D/A status, zinc, and (cautiously) iodine.

You might persuade be able to persuade a good doctor help with antivirals possibly. Ideally you want a good doctor .

Not sure about the coffee thing, I love coffee but I'm pretty sure if I tried to drink 50 cups of it in one day I'd be able to levitate off the ground on a gusher of my own vomit, which would fulfill my dreams of flying under my own power but is probably exhausting in its own right.

answered Feb 10, 2014 by Spokey

Best Imagery Award 2014:

levitate off the ground on a gusher of my own vomit

alright, thanks for the advice...other than this constant fatigued feeling, i never really get "sick" so i don't feel like my immune system is the issue, but I will certainly do what i can...its funny that you mention the eppstein barr virus, because I have been told I have the antibodies for it in my system, but it's been almost 3 years since I had mononucleosis and ever since may of 2011 I have never felt the same.

Absence of flu like symptoms alone don't rule out the presence of a virus of this nature. The problem is when such viruses go stealthy they're hidden from the immune system. It's actually the immune system which mediates the feeling of crappyness with hormones produced by macrophages eating your dead foes (cells infected with the virus in this case), this is probably to keep you in bed to conserve energy. If your macrophages don't get to eat enough of those, you might not feel "sick." Given you had mono, I reckon a good doctor is your best bet.

ive been to multiple infectious disease doctors who are highly regarded and both said i must rest and it should go away with time.

Let's hope their status is reflected by their ability. What tests did they do? Rest does seem like a good idea. Intuitively I feel commitment to avoidance of PUFA a good idea in this situation. I've no firm evidence behind that, it's just I've heard PUFA have some connection to fibromyalgia which has some common ground with things like chronic fatigue. That's all just my opinion though.

Researcher Judy Mikovits links CFS to retroviruses:

Mikovits led a research effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS and may have had a causal role, however the research came under fire, leading to an eventual retraction on December 22, 2011 by the journal Science.

She wrote a book about it called Plague.

answered Feb 12, 2015 by raintree