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Childhood abuse linked to thyroid problems

asked Dec 28, 2013 by darth mall

Why was only women part of the test?

3 Answers

probably anything traumatic and unresolved would lead to thyroid problems. It keeps coming back to the same principle...stress leads to cortisol, which leads to excess of all the inflammatory markers, which leads to feeling bad. Food plays a factor, like if you ate something rough and irritating, all the chemicals and fillers, but im thinking things like what you linked to are significantly more important. At the very least...just say we eliminated all kinds of abuse, lies, manipulation, fear mongering...stuff like that, then it would become obvious what the problems with food were and quickly resolved, because there would be well intended action towards having nothing but good stuff available. I guess in the mean time we have to be selective...I'm not surprised by that study one bit, and Peat mentions many times about how studies prove that a sense of fear, or lack of hope, or the presence of authoritarian people, all make a profound difference on whether or not the animal survives or thrives, or doesn't. Abuse? Of course it would make everything worse, mentally and psychosomatically. I don't even understand what would bring people to do such things...its like, what's the point? If the world is so harsh to where you would have to commit heinous acts just to get by...then do you really want to be here anyways?

answered Dec 29, 2013 by pboy

Offtopic: Could you please elaborate on "cortisol leads to inflammation"? Cortisol is our body's most potent anti-inflammatory and it does so by inhibiting nf-kappa-b just like progesterone, aspirin, emodin and many other substances. I have no doubt that chronically elevated cortisol is not a good thing. On the other hand adrenal insufficiency which leads to cortisol deficiency is not good either because then your body has nothing to oppose inflammation, in case it needs to. Personally I can't sleep longer than 8 hours because I "run out of cortisol" which gives me a zombie-like inflamed and swollen appearance in the morning :-)

I guess I should rephrase...inflammation, chemical, physical, dietary, emotional, environmental...lead to increased cortisol...which is just the helpful messenger. Its an indicator of a deeper irritation, inflammation

Nograde, why do you think this:
"Personally I can't sleep longer than 8 hours because I "run out of cortisol" which gives me a zombie-like inflamed and swollen appearance in the morning :-)" ?

Imo, the total opposite happens, after some time of fasting( 8 hours sleep) you get low on glucose( low glycogen stores), so the cortisol and adrenaline rise to supply that glucose. And than you wake up because cortisol and adrenaline are not the sleepy hormones:) I guess that all happens because of low thyroid in general.

What you describe happens 4 hours earlier ;-) Sometimes I wake up at that point but mostly not. Then cortisol/adrenaline kicks in and provides me with glucose maybe for another 4 hours. Finally, if I sleep longer than 8 hours I suspect that I run out of cortisol resulting in largely unopposed inflammation, which shows in the mirror. Does not happen when I manage to sleep less than 8 hours. Sometimes, when I have a very "pleasant" day with almost no stress I can sleep longer, maybe 9 hours, which in my simplistic mind comes from cortisol "saved" during the day. And yes I'm a wreck ...

wait, that sounds familiar:) but I would like more explanations since "running out of cortisol" sounds the same as running out of estrogen, maybe when hell freezes over:)

Again, cortisol is your short-term safeguard to dampen inflammation that is caused by all sorts of stress (like running out of glucose). Yes it's bad when elevated chronically because it messes with your metabolism and ages your skin (which can be seen best with chronic topical use of corticosteroids). It's not BAD per se and definitely not as bad as estrogen which itself causes inflammation.

I know that, but I said that running out of it seems impossible to happen. why would that happen?

If you are stressed out the whole day there's not much left to bring you through the night. Your adrenals can only synthesize a limited amount of cortisol in a given time-frame. The mechanism is similar to what is described with "adrenal fatigue" in the blogosphere, I however don't think that your adrenals are fatigued but its products are used up too quickly by stress.

And yes, the ideal would be never needing to activate Cortisol in the first place. I think this is what Ray Peat strives for. Getting through the night without cortisol would probably require a super-healthy liver of a kid or very young teenager. I don't think anyone age 30+ will ever be able to pull that off again.

"Long-term effects of childhood physical abuse on the thyroid "may be due to the way early traumas change the way an individual reacts to stress throughout life," study co-author Loriena Yancura, an associate professor in the family and consumer sciences department at the University of Hawaii, said in the news release."

Violent behavior in the parents could be due to hypothyroidism. If the physical abuse came from the parents, I think it's more likely that the hypothyroidism was inherited from them instead of it being caused by the trauma itself.

answered Dec 29, 2013 by Bryan

I couldn't agree more. Never before reading Peat have occurred to me that any kind of stress or abuse in the childhood, no matter it is physical or verbal, could have such a huge effect on health. I knew it did matter and that it can leave the consequences on the child mental health but to be this huge, it's frightening. Also, the thing that seems almost impossible to impact a person's health is a great factor too- prenatal imprinting.

answered Dec 29, 2013 by Nemesis